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Monday, September 3, 2012

Roche Questions

1. What does Roche mean when he describes the Constitutional Convention of 1787 as a democratic reform caucus?
2. What were some major political constraints operating during the Constitutional Convention of 1787?
3. What does Roche feel was the role of political theory at the Constitutional Convention?

Due Friday September 7th no later than 11:59:59pm

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  1. 1) What Roche meant by describing the constitutional Covention of 1787 as a democratic reform caucus is "that it had to operate with great delicacy and skill in a political cosmos full of enemies to achieve one definitive goal- popular approbation".
    2) Some major political constraints operating during the constitutional covention was between a strong central government and the public interest."It is rather to argue that in politics there are no immaculate conceptions, and that in the drive for a stronger general government motives of all sorts played a part, common good or public interest that militated against their private status."
    3) Roche feels that the role of political theory at the constitutional convention was a "united front". "These men did demonstrate a willingness to compromise their parochial interest in behalf of an ideal which took shape before their eyes and under their ministrations.

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    1. Julio C. Lores CruzSeptember 6, 2012 at 7:37 PM

      I Agree with Cecilias second answer. The greatest hurdle of the constitution was to make a basic draft that most would adhere on a basic level. Without public interest active in the constitution, there would be great difficulty in in defeating the political constraints.

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    2. I agree with Cecilia's first answer because the Constitutional Convention of 1787 did try to "Achieve one definitive goal-popular approbation." It was important to make sure that they where careful in their decision making process in order to satisfy the wants of most people.

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  2. Julio C. Lores CruzSeptember 6, 2012 at 7:31 PM

    1. A caucus is a closed meeting of policians to decide on a matter. The 1787 Convention is a perfect representation of this because the representatives were going to completely reform the draft for government, and they had to do so in secrecy. As Roche says they were "plotting to establish a much stronger... than existed under the Articles".
    2. The major political constraints were achieving great support from the people, how to please the conflicting states needs, and set up a equal representation system. It was a matter of "inuduce the states, by democratic techniques of coercion".
    3.The role of political theory was to diffirentiate between abstract ideals and reality. "They had to take home an acceptable package and defend iT" Roche that the representatives took the working parts of political theory, and put them into one basic draft. "A number of them... with the history of political theory".

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    1. I agree with Julio at #2 that one of the major political conflicts in the Convention of 1787 was what ever the states wanted.

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    2. I agree with Julio on question 3. The framers debated on government philosophies as they took precautions in creating a new constitution for our government

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  3. 1)When Roche is describing the Constitutional Convention of 1787 as a democratic reform caucus he tries to explain how the convention had to be operated "with great delicacy and skill" because it is a big decision. They have to make sure they're meeting not only their standards, but the nation's as well to receive "popular approbation".
    2)A major political constraint operating during the Constitutional Convention of 1787 was the Constitutionalists. They "went forth to subvert the Confederation." Also, in order to accomplish their task " they utilized the mechanisms of political legitimacy."
    3)Roche feels that the role of political theory at the Constitutional Convention was something the "framers divided their time between philosophical discusssions of government and reading the classics in political theory." Roche said some of the "framers" had some "aquaitance with the history of political theory, and it was a poor rhetorician indeed who could not cite Locke...in support of a desired goal."

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    1. I agree with Sandra's first answer. Their job was to make a government that has both the approval of the people and the stability that the Articles of Confederations lacked. Their decisions could affect the whole nation.

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    2. I agree with Sandra's answer for question number 1. Because Roche did imply that the convention had to “operated with great delicacy and skill".

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    3. I agree with Sandra because they did have to take the time to make decisions so it would benefit the people and the government so they had to make decisions with "delicacy and skill"

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    4. Miguel Hernandez jrSeptember 7, 2012 at 6:10 PM

      I agree with Sandra in the first question because Roche mentions that it wasn't a college of cardinals and more like a convention with skill and secrecy in order to get the goal of popular approbation.

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    5. I agree with sandras answer to question one because their job was to create something that will improve the future of the nation and something that will protect everyones interests.

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  4. 1. When Roche describes the Constitutional Convention of 1787 as a democratic reform caucus, he meant that the Convention "had to operate with great delicacy and skill in a political cosmos full of enemies to achieve the one definitive goal - popular approbation". In other words, the delegates had to approach creating an effective but controlled national that would overcome the weaknesses of the Articles of Confederation.

    2. Some major political constraints during the Constitutional Convention of 1787 was that there was a conflict on how the government would be shaped. Each state wanted the government to benefit them. Another major constraint was that there was a "large element of personality in the affair". There were people who supported the Constitution simply because the opposition had the "wrong" people against it.

    3. Roche felt that political theory jerked the delegates from their chased after Utopia. As discussions continued, they found that "they were not residents of Utopia or guardians of Plato's Republic...They were practical politicians in a democratic society.". It didn't matter what their private dreams were, they had to make an acceptable "package" to take back to their state.

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    1. I agree with Linh's answer for question 2 because the states wanted something to benefit them in the new government.

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    2. I agree with Linh's answer #2 because every state, big or small had dissagrements on what power they each wanted to have under the government that was being, at the time, modified.

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  5. 1. Roche describes the Constitutional Convention of 1787 as a democratic reform caucus he is trying to explain that the Convention "had to operate with delicacy and skill" meaning that everything had to go great so they can come to a conclusion.

    2. One major political conflict in the Constitutional Convention of 1787 was on how would h the government should formed since everyone wanted some type of power.

    3.Roche felt that the political theory at the Constitutional Convention was to create an agreement that will create order and will bring strength to all.

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    1. I disagree with the second point made in that a political conflict was not of who should get the power, but how can the power be evenly shared throughout the states.

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  6. 1) When Roche describes the Constitutional Convention of 1787 as a democratic reform caucus he says they "had to operate with great delicacy and skill" because they were making an important decision.

    2) A major political constraints during the Constitutional Convention of 1787 was that states wanted the government to benefit every state not just some and also the different opinion everyone had "large element of personality".

    3) Roche feels that the role of political theory was to make out the difference between reality and ideals and they had to make a "acceptable package".

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    1. Jocelyn Yaritza AscencioSeptember 7, 2012 at 7:00 PM

      I agree with Angela's first answer because in order to finalize a decision everyone has to take part and make sure everone will approve of it.

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    2. I agree with Angela's response for question #3 because they did have to come up with and "ideal package" that everyone approved of.

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  7. 1) The constitutional convention of 1787 is described as a nationalist reform caucus because it was a political meeting to reform our plan of government. It had to operate with "great delicacy and skill" to achieve popular approbation.
    2) One major political constraint was getting the approval of the people as some thought of it as a counter revolution and a coup.
    3) Roche feels that the role of political theory was for the framers to decide between government philosophies and realities. The rumor is the framers spent their time between debating philosophies on governments and reading political thoeries

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    1. I agree with Adrian on his first answer because if the people aren't with it it they won't approve.

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    2. I agree with Adrian on his second answer because soem people are stubborn and don't want to agree to change.

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  8. 1. Roche description of the Constitutional Convention of 1787 was a democratic reform caucus because they had a lot of concerns and decisions about the right and safety of the nation and themselves.
    2. Some major political constraints operating during the Constitutional Convention of 1787 was to operate with delicacy and skill.
    3. Roche feels that the role of political theory at the Constitutional Convention was to create order and agreement so that they would strengthen each other not to over power each other but to be work together.

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    1. I agree with Vicky when she says that Roche felt that the role of the political theory at the constitution convention was to create order and agreement because if they did not do during the convention then we probably would not even agree upon anything in the constitution and there's the possibility that it might have been written.

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  9. 1.) What Roche means by the Constitutional Convention of 1787 as a democratic reform caucus is that it was a closed meeting that had to be held with "great delicacy and skill". That the decision they make would need to satisfy the people and they would gladly follow it.

    2.) One political restraint in the Constitutional Convention was that the states had a lot of power and had strong views on state having more than the central government which had to be compromised in many ways in the convention.

    3.)Roche felt that the role of political theory at the Constitutional Convention was to distinguish between what was reality and idealist ideas. That they had to make an "acceptable package" that people will accept.

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    1. I agree with Fernando in that the Constitutional Convention of 1787 had to be held with "great delicacy and skill".

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    2. 1.) When Roche describes the Constitutional Convention of 1787 as a democratic reform caucus, he means they operated with "great delicacy and skill... to achieve the one definitive goal" supported and approved by the people. The Framers had to be careful and smart with everything they wrote.

      2.)One major political constraints operating during the Constitutional Convention of 1787 was how the framers would shape the goevernment. Each state wanted different things and some opposed each other. Another political constraint is there was "a large element of personality in the affair". Patrick Henry opposed the Convention and the Constituition because he suspected Jefferson was behind both.

      3.)Roche felt that the role of the political theory at the Constitutional Convention was "neither a victory for abstract theory nor a great pratical success." Instead he felt the Constitution was "a vivid demostration of effective democratic political action."

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  10. 1) The constitutional Convention is described as a nationalist reform caucus because it was a political meeting to reform our government and needed "great delicacy and skill" to achieve everyone's approval.

    2) One political constraint in the Constitutional Convention was getting approval of the people because if they were to mess up then it could lead to an overthrow of government and getting the approval of all of the members took a lot of time and work.

    3) Roche feels that the role of political theory was for the writers to decide between philosophies of government and realities of life.

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    1. I agree with mercedes in question 1,they had to make sure that the new plan of goverment got everyones approval

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  11. 1) What Roche meant by describing the constitutional Covention of 1787 as a democratic reform caucus because the decision had to operate with "great delicacy and skill" to achieve popular approbation.

    2) A major political constraints during the Constitutional Convention of 1787 was getting the concent of the people.

    3. Roche feels that the role of political theory was to create an agreement that will bring strength and order to all.

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    1. I agree with Alexis on #3 because the agreement WAS used to maintain order and to strengthen the government.

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  12. 1. What Roche means by the Constitutional Convention of 1787 as a democratic reform caucus is that it was a meeting which "had to operate with great delicacy and skill" because they had to keep the nation under control and also improve the weaknesses of the Articles of Confederation.
    2. Some major political constraints was having good support from the people, how to favor each state according to their needs, and that they had to find a way to set up an equal representation plan.
    3. Roche felt that the role of political theory at the Constitutional Convention was that they had to make an "acceptable package" by distinguishing between reality and government philosophies.

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    1. I agree with Cristian on his answers one and three. Roche had to keep the nation under control, to improve the Articles of Confederation. Also he made an "acceptable package" to distinguish realistic and government philosophies.

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  13. 1.Roche meant that he Constitutional Conventionof 1787 was a democratic caucus in that it was a private metting were nobody else could know whats gong on.The big decisions were made there and the wanted it to be fair for all 13 states so that everybody could be happy and follow the laws.
    2.One of the political restrains was that it hade to be operated with delicacy and skills,and also they wanted people approval.
    3.Roche felt that the role of political theory at the Convention was to decided if the ideas they had were real or idealist ideas.They had to make a good decision this time so the people could accapt.

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    1. I agree with Alejandra on answer 3 that they had to decide on the realistic and idealistic ideas.

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  14. Jocelyn Yaritza AscencioSeptember 7, 2012 at 6:52 PM

    1. What Roch means when describing the constitutional convention of 1787 as a democratic reform caucus is that is a was a meeting/convention that had to be delt with "great delicacy and skill" to go through with an important decision in order to get everyone's approval.

    2. Some major political contraits durint the constitutional convention of 1787 was trying to achieve the concent ans support of the people when some saught it to be a counter revolution. Also states wanted the government to benefit everyone equaly and not divided or sepretly and the different ideas and opinions "large element of personality".

    3. Roche feel was the role of political theory at the Constitutional Convention was to distinguish between unreal ideas and true reality. To create order and agreement to strengthen one another and not over rule each other. They had to become one.

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    1. I agree with Jocelyns #3 because according to Roche, the role of political theory at the Constitutional Convention was to differentiate between unreal ideas and reality. So that they are able to strenghten each other and not over power themeselves.

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  15. 1.) When Roche describes the Constitutional Convention of 1787 as a democratic reform caucus, he means they operated with "great delicacy and skill... to achieve the one definitive goal" supported and approved by the people. The Framers had to be careful and smart with everything they wrote.

    2.)One major political constraints operating during the Constitutional Convention of 1787 was how the framers would shape the goevernment. Each state wanted different things and some opposed each other. Another political constraint is there was "a large element of personality in the affair". Patrick Henry opposed the Convention and the Constituition because he suspected Jefferson was behind both.

    3.)Roche felt that the role of the political theory at the Constitutional Convention was "neither a victory for abstract theory nor a great pratical success." Instead he felt the Constitution was "a vivid demostration of effective democratic political action."

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    1. I agree with Jonathan's statement about how the framers had to be careful with everything they wrote because any small phrase written could potentially bring unnecessary consequences

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    2. I couldn't agree more with both Jonathan & Jose about how careful the framers had to be about what they wrote due to the consequences this could bring among people.

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  16. 1. When Roche describes the Constitutional Convention of 1787 as a democratic reform caucus, he means that it was a meeting that had to be operated with "great delicacy and skill" and had to overcome the Articles Of Confederation.

    2. One major political constraint operating during the Constitutional Convention of 1787, was to get peoples approval so that people wouldn't overthrow the government.

    3. Roche felt that, to create an agreement to bring order and strength to the nation and by creating and "acceptable package" by being able to differ between philosophies of government & the realities of life, was the role of political theory at the Constitutional Convention.

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    1. I agree with nancy on the question number 1 because the Articles of Confederations had many weakness that were needed to be fixed and if done wrong, it could have led to discontent from certain states.

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  17. 1. Roche description of the Constitutional Convention of 1787 was a reform caucus because they had a lot of concerns and decisions about the right and safety of the nation and themselves.
    2. Some political constraints operating during the Constitutional Convention of 1787 was to operate with underground skills.
    3. Roche believes that the role of political theory at the Constitutional Convention was to maintain order and agreement so that they could strengthen each other and not to over power each other but to work together and create good ideas.

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    1. I agree with your response on #1 because they had to create a new government that was fair and just to everybody.

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  18. 1. Roche describes the Constitutional Convention of 1787 as a "democratic reform caucus" because it was held to reform the old Articles of Confederation and make it fair for all 13 states. It took a very long time in that every state was given an equal and fair seat in the government.

    2.Major political constraints during the Constitutional Convention of 1787 dealt with things about fair frame work for all states and major figures in previous events in US history not wanting to show up. States all wanted what was best for their own state and everyone kept disagreeing. On the other hand Patrick Henry "smelt a rat" and didn't show up, while Samuel Adams was across the oceans.

    3. Roche felt the Constitutional Convention was "neither a victory" but more "democratic political action." The old government wasnt stable enough, and the leaders of the country got together only to form a better figure of government.

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    1. I agree with Ryan's second answer because every state was going for their own wants and needs.

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    2. I slightly disagree with the 1st one. It was more of a gathering of the proven leaders at the time to make an effort to reform the Articles of Confederation without outside influence

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  19. 1. Roche meant that the constitutional conventional was a meeting between few statesmen who had the duty to politically reform the conditions in which the union was in.
    2. Some major political constraints during the convention were getting the States to agree on major points of debate such as representation issues. Another was getting everybody to accept the strength of the central government
    3. Roche felt the role of political theory was that it was a good starting point from which the founders had to adjust to reality and the Union's current issues.

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    1. I agree with Jose (T) Apolinar's respons to question 2 about getting everyone to accept the central government, because a major power is needed to inforce certain things to have a better, more acceptable, society.

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  20. 1.) When Roche described the Constitutional Convention of 1787 as a democratic reform caucus he means that the fathers were in a room full of "great delicacy and skill" to come up with the best ideas possible that would satisfy/be fair to all states.

    2.) Some major political constraints operating during the Constitutional Convention of 1787 were getting the people to agree with what the Fathers decided on, create a system were each state is equally represented, and limit the power of states to were the central government had control.

    3.) At the Constitutional Convention, Roche feel that the role of political theory was to apart what was genuine and what was influenced by philosophy.

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    1. I agree with Fernando's second answer because they did want to figure out a way to benefit each state.

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  21. By Roche referring to the Constitution Convention of 1787 as a "democratic reform caucus", he is trying to express the importance for them to operate with "great delicacy and skill".

    A major political straint of the Constitutional Convention of 1787 was the fact that each state wanted to shape the government to benefit themselves the most.

    Roche feels that the role of political theory during the Constitutional Convention was to restore some order, and make it to where the states depended on, and helped each other.

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    1. I agree with Sarah's second answer because the states did have too much power to begin with and felt that they did not deserve to have it [their power] taken away.

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  22. 1.) I think that Roche described the Constitutional Convention of 1787 as a democratic reform caucus because the 'Founding Fathers' were all trying to decide on the best decisions that the majority, if not all, of the states would agree on and that would also be fair.
    2.) Some major political constraints were that everyone had their ideas and opinions and trying to agree on just a select few was always a struggle. Another would be coming up with a plan that would be fair to all and come up with a way to reserve and restrict federal/national power.
    3.) Roche felt that the role of political theory was a place where everyone can start from and kind of grow from in the sense of it being based on a more philosophical foundation.

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    1. I agree with Jesse's answer for #1, seeing that the Founding Fathers did indeed want to obtain a "poll" for the best decisions for the majority.

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  23. -When Roche describes the Constitutional Convention of 1787 as a democratic reform caucus, he means that within the government involved "democrats", there needed to come an agreement, which was a "nationalist reform", in order to retain popular approbation.

    -During the Constitutional Convention of 1787, some major constraints dealt with the many issues state's rights tended to come with and, the approval or dissaproval of a "strong central authority".

    -Roche feels that the role of political theory was to achieve and have established a better national government through the process of reforming the Articles of Confederation, but at the end, coming up with a new constitution. Politicians "reasoned,cajoled, threatened..., in order to end up with a form of government that the people accepted.

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    1. I agree with naty's question #1 because their was a need for an agreement that would be given the consent of everyone in order for the formation of a new government form.

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  24. 1) When Roche describes the constitutional convention of 1787 as a democratic caucus, he means that the convention "had to operate with great delicacy and skill..." because the future of the nation was on their hands. They had to build and establish "a much stronger central government" that "protected everybody's interests."

    2) A major political constraint operating during the constitutional convention of 1787 was on how the new government would protect "everybody's interests." Also, if it would give equality to the conflicting states needs.

    3) Roche feels that the role of political theory at the constitutional convention was the view of the framers concerning government philosophies and reality, because they had to make something "acceptable to the people."

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  25. 1.) What Roche meant when he described the Constitutional Convention of 1787 as a democratic reform caucus was that the meeting was held with "great delicacy and skill" to enable the process of good decision , something everyone had approval of.

    2.) Some major political constraints operating during the Constitutional Convention of 1787 were getting the citizens to approve what the fathers decided on. They also wanted to have a limit of power for each of the states (equality).

    3.) Roche felt that the role of political theory at the Constitutional Convention was to differentiate between real life and great ideas they came up with. Their goal was to create an "adequate package" that the fellow citizens would approve/agree with.

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    1. I agree with brendas 1st response because delegates from the several states met to frame a Constitution for a federal republic that would last into "remote futurity."

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  26. 1) Roche was referring to the constitution convention as a reformed democratic caucus.For four months, 55 delegates from the several states met to frame a Constitution for a federal republic that would last into "remote futurity."

    2) A major political constraint of the constitutional convention was because the states wanted something to benefit them in the new government. Meaning most states just wanted to shape their own government for their own good.

    3) Roche felt that to create order and agreement was to strengthen one another rather than over rule each other, they had to become one. The framers debated on government philosophies as they took precautions in creating a new constitution for our government.

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    1. I agree with Bella's answer to number 1 because this meeting was held to establish a stronger central government and a plan of government that would last them into "...remote futurity..."

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  27. 1. What Roche meant when he described the Constitutional Convention of 1787 as a democratic caucus was that the convention had to run "with great delicacy and skill" so the government would be equal for the states.
    2. Some of the political constraints during the Convention of 1787 were the equal representation of the states, the argument of how the big states and little states would be represented, also the division of "nationalists" and "state righters".
    3. Roche felt the role of the political theory at the Constitutional Convention was the framers decision upon idealistic and realistic ideas.

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  28. 1. When describing the Constitutional Convention of 1787 as a democratic caucus, Roche meant that they had to have a political meeting to create something new which needed to overcome the weaknesses of the Articles of the constitution. in order to do this they had to be "operated with great delicacy and skill".
    2. An example of the political constraints was that they had to establish something where one was not only equal but also equally represented. Another was that they had to included that they had to have a relatively favorable support from the people.
    3. Roche feels that the role of political theory in the convection the had to discuss about making an "acceptable package". This meant that they had to decided what were the realities in life and what the philosophies of the government are.

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  29. 1. When roche describes the Constitutional Convention of 1787 as a democratic reform caucus he explains to us that it had to be "with great delicacy and skills". They were really being careful with what decisions were going to be established to make it close to perfect.
    2. Some major political constraints operating during the Constitutional Convention of 1787 are how the government was going to be shaped, a representation system that was going to show equality, receiving support from the people, and deciding how to please the needs of troubled states.
    3. Roche felt the role of theory at the Constitutional was coming up with an "acceptable package" for the people. He also felt they needed to decide between the philosophers of government and the realities.

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  30. 1. Roche described Constitutional Convention of 1787 as a democratic reform caucus he tried to explain how the convention had to be operated with great delicacy. They had to make sure that they were meeting about the standards of living to atain popularity.

    2. One definite political constraint was attaining the approval of the people. Another constraint was getting the States to agree on major points of political debate.

    3. Roche believed that the role of political theory at the Constitutional Convention was to distinguish between what was reality and what were the idealist ideas.

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  31. 1. Caucus means a meeting of members of a legislative body to decide policy, so when Roche describes the Constitutional Convention of 1787 as a democratic reform caucus is that people met to reform the Articles of Confederation and strengthen our central government to get the people's approval and consent.

    2. Some major political constraints operating during the Constitutional Convention of 1787 were that our Founding Fathers couldn't decide on how many members should each state get in our legislative branch, if slaves should be counted for representation and for taxes, and the big issues was just how strong should our central government be.

    3. Roche felt that the role of political theory at the Constitutional Convention was to come up with a plan that was realistic and would get the citizens' approval.

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  32. 1)When Roche is describing the Constitutional Convention of 1787 as a democratic reform caucus he explains how the convention had to be operated "with great delicacy and skill" because it is a big decision.
    2)A major political constraint operating during the Constitutional Convention of 1787 was the Constitutionalists. They "went forth to subvert the Confederation." To accomplish their task they utilized the mechanisms of political legitimacy.
    3)Roche feels that the role of political theory at the Constitutional Convention was something the "framers divided their time between philosophical discusssions of government and reading the classics in political theory." He also believed that they needed to differentiate the philosophers of goverment and realities.

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  33. 1) A caucus is a group of important people that gather to make important decisions. In the Constitutional convention, great minds gathered to make the important decision to amend the constitution while isolated from outer influences.

    2) A major constraint in the Convention was keeping in mind the consent of the people. To accomplish that, everyone present in the Convention had to agree on any decisions that were to be made.

    3) The Political Theory kept the discussions on track and distinguished between philosophical ideals and the reality they live in. The Political Theory helped construct a good basis of agreement to be in union.

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    1. i agree with fernando about Roche took things seriously and that it was important for the framers to take things serious.

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  34. Roche describes the Constitution of 1787 as a caucus because he know they have to handle it carefully since there is too many people they have to accommodate to

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  35. 1.What Roche means when he describes the constitutional convention of 1787 as a democatic reform caucus was that our founding fathers wanted to create a new government for he people and by the people and that didn't refere to the past government concepts.
    2.Some major political constraints operating during the constitutional convention of 1787 were military issues that would be for either the public/private good and protections.
    3.Roche felt that the role of political theory in the constitutional convention was to separate reality and idealistic interpretations and that it would give strenght and order everyone to not rule above each other.

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    1. i agree to number three answer because roches thought on the role of political theory was that no one should overpower another

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  36. 1.First of all a caucus is a closed meeting of political members to decide an important matter such as the 1787 convention, and Roche described it that way because Framers had to be careful and wisely with everything they wrote.
    2.Some major political constraints operating during the Constitutional Convention of 1787 was that each state wanted things that would benefit them while other states opposed them for the reason that it would not benefit them. Another constraint was the approval or dissaproval of a strong central authority.
    3.Roche felt that the role of political theory at the Constitutional Convention was the framers decision upon idealistic and realistic ideas.

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  37. Impressive answers. Really well thought out and very concise. Keep up the good work kiddos!

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  38. 1. A caucus is a closed meeting where important political members gather to decide important matters like the 1787 convention. Roche describes it in that matter because Framers needed to watch what they wrote.
    2. Some political constraints operating during the constitutional convention of 1787 was formulating an agreement between the Fathers and the people on how each state would be equally represented but limit their power to were the central government was in control.
    3. Roche thought The Political Theory help set up a good central point of unity.

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  39. 1.)By Roche referring to the Constitution Convention of 1787 as a democratic reform caucus was because he meant that the framimng of the constitution had be be taken seriously and that they should not juat throw ideas out there.
    2.)Some political constraints operating during the constitutional convention of 1787 was creating an agreement between the Fathers where people would accept the new constitution and see if people actually follow it.
    3.)Roche thought that the framers should set the difference between reality and philosophies.

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  40. 1.)By Roche referring to the Constitution Convention of 1787 as a democratic reform caucus was because he meant that the framimng of the constitution had be be taken seriously and that they should not juat throw ideas out there.
    2.)Some political constraints operating during the constitutional convention of 1787 was creating an agreement between the Fathers where people would accept the new constitution and see if people actually follow it.
    3.)Roche thought that the framers should set the difference between reality and philosophies.

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  41. 1. When Roche describes the Constitutional Convention of 1787 as a democratic reform caucus he says it had to operate with great delicacy and skill to achieve the definite goal of popular approbation. They had to meet not only their own standards but also the peoples. It was set to improve the weaknesses of the Articles of Confederation.
    2. Some major political constraints operating during the Constitutional Convention of 1787 was on how the govt. would be formed. How to please the state's conflicts since everybody had a large element of personality, to achieve great support from the people, and set up a equal representation system.
    3. Roche felt that the role of political theory at the Constitutional Convention was to create an order and agreement so that there would be strength to all, none overpowering eachother. So they came up with an ideal package that everyone approved of.

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